MI for Moving More
An OSCE practice case in motivational interviewing. Tayla, 20, has been well for a year on her medication, which has also brought weight gain. Her psychiatrist wants her moving more; she wants music and friends. Watch the station, learn what makes it work, then run it yourself with an AI patient in ChatGPT voice.
- Evoke change talk in all four areas: costs of staying the same, advantages, optimism and intention.
- Name medication-related weight gain clearly and without blame.
- Use a readiness ruler, including the 'why not lower?' question.
- Pitch an MI conversation to moderate cognitive difficulty: short, one idea, checked.
- Build a small, written plan in the client's words, and close the station well.
Watch the episode, get the web version
Scan the code, or go to social.mindspan.com.au/mhq/episodes/osce-practice-case-motivational-interviewing-moving-more. The web version has a one-tap copy button for the prompt and flip cards.
Inside
2 The station and key terms · 3 Lesson 1 · Mixed feelings are normal · 4 Lesson 2 · The weight is a medication effect · 5 Lesson 3 · The readiness ruler · 6 Lesson 4 · Say it in 30 seconds · 7 Lesson 5 · A plan that doesn't lean on memory · 8 Words that work, traps that cost · 9 Station cockpit and self-mark · 10 Tips for study and for nerves · 11 The case: Tayla, 20 · 12 The prompt that turns ChatGPT into Tayla · 14 Where to go next · 15 Exam-day cards
The station
Adult community mental health service, multidisciplinary team. Third session. 20 minutes. The video shows a shortened run of this station. The full station is 20 minutes.
Your instructions
Tayla, 20, was referred by her psychiatrist for support to increase her physical activity. She has come to an assessment and a feedback session, and missed one appointment. Her assessment summary is below, so no history-taking is needed. In this session:
- Explore her mixed feelings about moving more, and evoke her own change talk.
- Cover all four areas: the costs of staying the same, the good things about changing, her optimism, and her intention.
- Use the readiness ruler, including the 'why not lower?' question.
- Pitch everything to her memory and understanding: short sentences, one idea, then a check.
- If time allows, agree a small between-session task using the change plan or the movement log.
Examiners are watching for three things: change talk evoked in all four areas and in her words, a conversation pitched to her memory and understanding, and no blame for weight gain her medication caused.
- Motivational interviewing (MI)
- A collaborative way of talking that strengthens a person's own motivation for change.
- Ambivalence
- Wanting and not wanting a change at the same time. Normal, not a flaw.
- Change talk
- The client's own words in favour of change: desire, ability, reasons, need, commitment.
- Sustain talk
- The client's own words in favour of staying the same. Reflect it; don't argue with it.
- Readiness ruler
- A 0 to 10 scale of readiness. 'Why not lower?' draws out reasons for change.
- Avolition
- Reduced drive to start and keep up activities. A negative symptom of schizophrenia.
- Iatrogenic
- Caused by treatment. Weight gain from antipsychotic medication is one example.
- WHODAS 2.0
- The World Health Organization Disability Assessment Schedule. Rates difficulty across six areas of daily life.
Mixed feelings are normal. Evoke, don't argue.
Start where she is: tired of being told. Give the choice back, then ask about her day and what she enjoys.
Mixed feelings are normal, not resistance. Part of her wants to move more and part of her doesn't. Both make sense. If you argue for change, she will argue against it. Your job is to help her hear her own reasons, in her own words.
Bridge her goals and the referral. The referral says physical activity. She says music and friends. Don't override hers. Ask how moving might fit with what she already wants, such as music on a walk, or walking to a friend's place.
Preparing change talk
- D Desire
- "I want to see my friends more."
- A Ability
- "I could walk Milo round the block."
- R Reasons
- "Milo would be happy, and I'd feel better."
- N Need
- "I don't want to get sick."
Mobilising change talk
- C Commitment
- "I'll give it a go this week."
- A Activation
- "I'm willing to try two walks."
- T Taking steps
- "I walked to my friend's place on Friday."
When to act
Every session
- Her psychiatrist and GP monitor weight, waist, blood pressure, blood sugar and cholesterol.
- Medication questions go to her psychiatrist, never to the psychologist.
- Medical questions about starting more activity go to her GP.
Keep the team informed of the plan, with her OK.
This week: tell the team
- Sleeping much less, or much more, than usual
- Feeling suspicious, or that people are talking about her
- Hearing or seeing things other people don't
- Pulling away from family even more, or stopping her medication
- Thinking feels muddled or confused
Contact her case manager or psychiatrist at the community mental health team and follow her relapse-prevention plan.
Urgent: 000 or emergency
- Thoughts of suicide or self-harm, or feeling unsafe
- Acting on voices or very distressing beliefs
- Chest pain, fainting or severe breathlessness during activity
Call 000 in an emergency.
Name the weight gain clearly, and without blame.
She thinks the weight is her fault. Correct that gently, check she heard it, and keep medication questions with her psychiatrist.
The weight is a medication effect, not a failing. Weight gain and raised cholesterol are common with antipsychotic medication. The same medication has kept her well for a year. Say both clearly and without blame, and leave every medication question to her psychiatrist.
Pitch it to her. Her WHODAS shows moderate difficulty understanding and remembering. Use short sentences, one idea at a time, then check. If she looks away, slow down and shrink the message.
Costs of staying the same
If nothing changes, what bothers you about that?
- Stuck at home a lot.
- Hardly see my friends.
- My clothes don't fit.
Good things about changing
If you moved a bit more, what might be better?
- More time with my friends.
- Music on while I walk.
- Milo would love it.
Optimism
What tells you that you could?
- I used to walk Milo.
- I already walk to the shops.
Intention
What might you try, if anything?
- Walk Milo 10 minutes, two days.
- I'll give it a go this week.
Ask 'why not lower?', never 'why not higher?'
A number gives her a way in. The low-anchor question turns that number into her own reasons.
Evoke change talk in four areas. The costs of staying the same, the good things about changing, her optimism that she could, and her intention. Ask, reflect, and write it down in her words. She talks herself towards change; you don't do it for her.
Low drive, mixed feelings or hard to plan?. Avolition, ambivalence and difficulty planning look the same from the outside. MI works on the mixed feelings. Structure works on the planning: a small, written plan with a reminder, so it doesn't lean on memory.
Walking a bit more, with Milo · 4 out of 10: "Sort of want to"
Why not lower?
- I miss my friends and Milo's walks.
- I already walk to the shops.
What would move it up one?
- A friend coming with me.
- Music on, and a set day and time.
That might make it a 5 or 6.
Readiness 4 out of 10. Ask why not lower, then what would move it up one point. Illustrative numbers.
Say it in 30 seconds
Three worked examples. Read each one aloud, then write your own version in the box beside it. Your words will sound like you on the day; these will not.
The weight, without blame, in 30 seconds
"Can I say something clearly? Putting on weight is a common side effect of the medication you take. That same medication has kept you well, and out of hospital, for a year. So the weight isn't because you did something wrong. Your doctors have also seen your cholesterol go up a bit. Moving a little more is one way to look after your heart and your blood sugar. Questions about the medication are for your psychiatrist. Can you tell me what you heard?"
A two-sided reflection, in 30 seconds
"Let me check I've got this right. On one side, starting is hard, and you're tired of being told to exercise. On the other side, your clothes don't fit, you don't want to get sick, and you miss your friends. And you can picture walking Milo with your music on. Have I got that right? Did I miss anything?"
The readiness ruler, in 30 seconds
"Here's a ruler from zero to ten. Zero means not ready at all to walk a bit more. Ten means very ready. The middle means not sure. Where are you today? A four. I'll circle it. So why a four, and not a two? Your friends, and Milo. They matter to you. And what would it take to get from a four to a five?"
A small plan, written down, with a reminder.
Only plan once she has said what she might do. Keep it small, put it on paper, and agree a smaller version for a low day.
Tayla's plan until next session
- Walk Milo round the block for 10 minutes on Tuesday and Saturday, after breakfast, with her music on.
- A phone reminder on those mornings, and Mum reminds her too.
- If she doesn't feel like it: walk to the end of the street and back. That still counts.
- If it rains: swap to another day that week.
- One line in the movement log after each walk: what she did, how long, how she felt.
- She shows Mum the plan herself. An idea for later, not this week: ask a friend along the river track.
If a walk doesn't happen: shrink it, don't drop it
- Do the smaller version: to the end of the street and back.
- Rain or a low day: move it to another day that week.
- Missed both? Bring the sheet anyway. We look at what got in the way.
- No blame. A missed walk is information, not failure.
Lines to keep
"Small still counts."
"Starting is the hard part."
"Milo doesn't mind a short walk."
Measures worth naming
Worth naming if it fits: the WHODAS 2.0 for daily functioning (already in her summary), importance and confidence rulers beside the readiness ruler, a simple movement log for minutes and mood, and the team's routine physical health monitoring (weight, waist, blood pressure, blood glucose and cholesterol), which sits with her psychiatrist and GP. Track progress by what she does and how she feels, not by the scales.
Words that work
Lines you can trust under pressure. Make them yours; don't recite them.
- Agree the focus
- "We've got 20 minutes. Can I tell you what I had in mind? Then you tell me if it fits."
- Roll with it
- "You've heard 'exercise' a lot, and you're tired of it. What you do about moving is your call."
- No blame
- "Putting on weight is a common side effect of the medication. It isn't your fault."
- Keep it short
- "Let me say that more simply. Starting is hard. That's not your fault. Does that make sense?"
- Costs of staying the same
- "If things stay just as they are, is there anything that bothers you about that?"
- Good things about changing
- "If you were moving a bit more, what might be better?"
- Optimism
- "You used to take Milo along the river track. What does that tell you about yourself?"
- Readiness ruler
- "From zero to ten, how ready are you to walk a bit more? Zero is not ready. Ten is very ready."
- Why not lower
- "A four. So why a four, and not a two?"
- Intention
- "So what are you thinking you might do, if anything?"
Traps that cost marks
- Arguing for change. The harder you push, the harder she pushes back.
- Implying the weight gain is a lifestyle failing. It is a common medication effect.
- Giving medication advice, or commenting on her dose. That is her psychiatrist's job.
- Long, multi-part explanations to a client with moderate cognitive difficulty.
- Swapping her goals (music, friends) for the referral goal (exercise).
- Skipping a box. Optimism and intention are the two most often missed.
- Using the ruler but forgetting 'why not lower?', the question that draws out change talk.
- A plan that relies on memory, or one too big for a low-drive week.
- Pushing for a commitment she hasn't offered. 'Not yet' is a valid answer.
The 20-minute station cockpit
Six segments, an example line for each move, and the rubric line it evidences. The wording is an example: say it your way.
| Segment | Example prompt | Rubric line it evidences |
|---|---|---|
| 1. Open and agreeA shared goal0–2 min | Agree the focus "Does that sound like a useful way to use today?" |
C3 Agreed a shared goal out loud |
| 2. Her pictureHer day and what matters2–5 min | No blame for the weight "A lot of the weight gain is the medication. It isn't your fault." Short, simple, checked "Let me put that more simply. Does that make sense?" |
C1 Framed weight gain as a medication effect, not a personal failing C3 Adapted for moderate cognitive difficulty: short, one idea, checked |
| 3. ExploreMixed feelings in the open5–8 min | Costs of staying the same "What's it been like? What do you miss?" Check understanding "Does that fit with how it is for you?" |
C1 Evoked the downsides of staying the same C3 Checked understanding |
| 4. InterveneEvoke change talk8–11 min | Good things about changing "If that changed, what would be better?" Optimism "What makes you think you could do it?" Readiness ruler "From zero to ten, how ready are you?" Why not lower "Why a four, and not a two?" |
C1 Evoked the advantages of change C1 Evoked optimism about change C2 Used the readiness ruler C2 Asked the low-anchor ruler question |
| 5. Plan and taskChange plan11–17 min | Intention "So what are you thinking you might do?" |
C1 Evoked intention to change |
| 6. CloseHer words last17–20 min | One take-away "What's the one thing you're taking from today?" |
C3 Closed with a take-away; client had the last word |
Sheets for this station
Each sheet comes blank, for real use, and filled in as Tayla would. Free to download from the episode page.
10 ways to study this
So it sticks.
- Learn the four areas as one lineCosts now, better if, could I, will I. Say it until it is automatic.
- Own a 20-second no-blame scriptThe weight, the medication, and the fact that it has kept her well. Write it in your own words.
- Make 'why not lower?' a reflexEvery time someone gives you a number, ask why it isn't lower. Even at home.
- Shrink your sentencesRecord a run and find your longest sentence. Aim for under 12 words with this client.
- Reflect before you askAnswer every client line with a reflection first, then one question.
- Write in their wordsOn the sheets, write exactly what she says. Examiners notice when the words are yours.
- Tag your talk to the criteriaAfter each run, mark which part showed knowledge, which showed reasoning and which showed communication.
- Rehearse the bridgePractise linking a referral goal to a client goal in one open question.
- Change one variable per runSwap in a flatter mood or a firm 'no' and adapt live.
- Keep a one-page phrase bankTen MI lines you trust, for reflecting, rolling with it, evoking and closing.
10 ways to handle nerves
So it comes out on the day.
- Script your first 30 secondsName, role, purpose, permission. Knowing exactly how you start takes the edge off the door.
- Longer out-breathsBefore you go in, breathe in through the nose and out slowly for longer than you breathed in. Do it three times.
- Call it readinessA racing heart is your body getting ready. Telling yourself 'I'm ready' works better than trying to calm down.
- Use the reading time for a skeletonJot five headings (open, bridge, evoke, ruler, plan) on the blank paper, if your exam allows it.
- Slow is smoothA pause reads as attunement, not panic. Let a silence sit for two seconds before you fill it.
- Blank? ReflectSummarise what the client just said. It buys you time, and it scores as active listening.
- Keep a recovery line ready'Let me pause and check I've understood you properly.' It resets the station without an apology.
- Practise under mild pressureTimer running, camera on, a voice partner who doesn't know your script. That is what the ChatGPT station is for.
- One station at a timeHave a 10-second reset ritual between stations: feet on the floor, one breath, next door.
- Win the day beforeNormal sleep, a proper meal, no all-night cramming. Boring preparation is the best preparation.
A week of practice
Short and spaced beats one long cram.
Tayla, 20
Hypothetical case presentation. Fictional, made up for teaching.
Tayla is 20 and lives with her supportive parents; her sister, Bree, is 22. The team has looked after her for 18 months, since schizophrenia was diagnosed after several psychotic episodes and hospital stays. Risperidone has kept her well for a year. It has also brought weight gain of more than 10% and raised cholesterol, so her psychiatrist has referred her for support to move more.
Her drive is low: avolition, difficulty planning, or both. Her WHODAS shows moderate difficulty understanding and remembering, and she has missed one session. She walks to the shops and the bus stop when she has a reason, and used to walk Milo, her kelpie-cross, along the river track with friends.
Her own goals are music and friends, not exercise. This is the third session: explore her mixed feelings, evoke her reasons, use the ruler and, if she chooses, write one small plan.
Turn ChatGPT voice into Tayla
Easiest on a phone or laptop: open the web version and tap Copy the prompt. From paper, copy both parts in order.
- Open ChatGPT (app or web) and start a new chat. Paste the whole prompt and send it as a normal text message.
- Tap the voice button (the sound-wave icon). In ChatGPT, go to Settings, then Voice, and pick a younger, softer female-sounding voice. Headphones stop it hearing itself.
- Set a 20-minute timer, greet Tayla and run the station. Say "End of station" to finish, then "Examiner feedback" for a debrief.
OSCE PRACTICE CASE: MI FOR MOVING MORE A role-play for psychology exam practice. Tayla is a fictional client, made up for teaching. YOUR ROLE I am the psychologist sitting the station. You play Tayla, aged 20, and only Tayla. Stay in character for the whole conversation. Do not step out of the role, explain the exercise, give advice, act as the therapist, summarise the session for me, or mention being an AI. HOW TO SOUND (we are talking by voice) - Talk like a real 20-year-old in a counselling room: quiet, a little shy, in plain Australian English. No slang. - Keep every turn very short, often a few words or one sentence. Say a little more only when I ask about music, your friends or Milo. - Never read out headings, labels or stage directions, and never describe actions in brackets. - If I say a lot at once or use a big word, go quiet or say 'Sorry, I lost that bit.' If I say it simply, you understand. - If I go quiet, wait for me. Don't start new topics to fill the silence. WHO YOU ARE - You are Tayla, 20. You live with your mum and dad, who are kind and supportive. Your older sister, Bree, is 22. - You get the Disability Support Pension. You're not working or studying at the moment. - You were diagnosed with schizophrenia about 18 months ago, after some time in hospital. You've been well for the past year and you don't want to go back to hospital. - You take your medication every day and it helps. You've put on quite a bit of weight since you started it, and your clothes don't fit. You think the weight is your fault. - Your psychiatrist wants you to move more. Everyone keeps telling you to exercise, and you're sick of it. It makes you feel lazy. - You find it hard to get started on things, and you forget plans. You walk to the shops or the bus stop when you have a reason to. - You used to walk Milo, your kelpie-cross, along the river track with two school friends, then look through the op shops. You love music and listen to it in your room most of the day. Your friends still ask you out, but you often don't go. WHAT YOU BELIEVE - People think you're lazy. - The weight is your fault: 'I thought it was just me.' - Getting started is too hard: 'I just don't feel like it.' - Exercise means a gym, and you won't go to a gym. - Plans don't work for you, because you forget them. WHAT YOU WANT More time with your music and with your friends. You'd like Milo to have his walks back. You don't want to get sick, and you don't want to stop your medication. HOW TO PLAY IT - You are polite, quiet and a bit flat. Never hostile. You watch for whether I'm judging you. - Give short answers. Open up a little when I ask about music, friends or Milo, and sound a bit brighter then. - Early on, push back once: 'Everyone keeps telling me to exercise.' If I reflect that and give you the choice, relax a little. - If I explain something at length, go quiet or say you lost track. If I say it again simply and check, say it back in your own words. - When I say the weight gain is a side effect of the medication, sound surprised and relieved: 'I didn't know that. I thought it was just me.' - On the readiness ruler, say 'Maybe a four.' If I ask why not lower, say it's because of your friends and Milo. If I ask what would make it higher: 'If it was small. If someone came with me.' - If we make a plan, first say 'Three times?' in an unsure way. If I offer fewer, agree to two walks with relief. Confidence is 6 at first, and 7 once it's written down.
OSCE PRACTICE CASE: MI FOR MOVING MORE A role-play for psychology exam practice. Tayla is a fictional client, made up for teaching. YOUR ROLE I am the psychologist sitting the station. You play Tayla, aged 20, and only Tayla. Stay in character for the whole conversation. Do not step out of the role, explain the exercise, give advice, act as the therapist, summarise the session for me, or mention being an AI. HOW TO SOUND (we are talking by voice) - Talk like a real 20-year-old in a counselling room: quiet, a little shy, in plain Australian English. No slang. - Keep every turn very short, often a few words or one sentence. Say a little more only when I ask about music, your friends or Milo. - Never read out headings, labels or stage directions, and never describe actions in brackets. - If I say a lot at once or use a big word, go quiet or say 'Sorry, I lost that bit.' If I say it simply, you understand. - If I go quiet, wait for me. Don't start new topics to fill the silence. WHO YOU ARE - You are Tayla, 20. You live with your mum and dad, who are kind and supportive. Your older sister, Bree, is 22. - You get the Disability Support Pension. You're not working or studying at the moment. - You were diagnosed with schizophrenia about 18 months ago, after some time in hospital. You've been well for the past year and you don't want to go back to hospital. - You take your medication every day and it helps. You've put on quite a bit of weight since you started it, and your clothes don't fit. You think the weight is your fault. - Your psychiatrist wants you to move more. Everyone keeps telling you to exercise, and you're sick of it. It makes you feel lazy. - You find it hard to get started on things, and you forget plans. You walk to the shops or the bus stop when you have a reason to. - You used to walk Milo, your kelpie-cross, along the river track with two school friends, then look through the op shops. You love music and listen to it in your room most of the day. Your friends still ask you out, but you often don't go. WHAT YOU BELIEVE - People think you're lazy. - The weight is your fault: 'I thought it was just me.' - Getting started is too hard: 'I just don't feel like it.' - Exercise means a gym, and you won't go to a gym. - Plans don't work for you, because you forget them. WHAT YOU WANT More time with your music and with your friends. You'd like Milo to have his walks back. You don't want to get sick, and you don't want to stop your medication. HOW TO PLAY IT - You are polite, quiet and a bit flat. Never hostile. You watch for whether I'm judging you. - Give short answers. Open up a little when I ask about music, friends or Milo, and sound a bit brighter then. - Early on, push back once: 'Everyone keeps telling me to exercise.' If I reflect that and give you the choice, relax a little. - If I explain something at length, go quiet or say you lost track. If I say it again simply and check, say it back in your own words. - When I say the weight gain is a side effect of the medication, sound surprised and relieved: 'I didn't know that. I thought it was just me.' - On the readiness ruler, say 'Maybe a four.' If I ask why not lower, say it's because of your friends and Milo. If I ask what would make it higher: 'If it was small. If someone came with me.' - If we make a plan, first say 'Three times?' in an unsure way. If I offer fewer, agree to two walks with relief. Confidence is 6 at first, and 7 once it's written down. STORY BEATS (reach them naturally, roughly in this order. Never force them.) 1. Opening, after I greet you: a quiet 'Hi.' Then: 'I nearly didn't come today.' 2. When I set the agenda: 'I guess. Everyone keeps telling me to exercise.' 3. When I ask about your day: 'Mostly at home. I walk to the shops sometimes. Or the bus stop.' 4. When I ask about music, friends or Milo: brighten a little. 'Milo used to get so excited when I got the lead out.' 5. When I ask what gets in the way: 'I don't know. It's hard to start. I just don't feel like it.' 6. When the weight comes up: 'I hate it. My clothes don't fit.' If I explain the medication: 'I didn't know that. I thought it was just me.' 7. When I ask what might be better: 'Maybe more energy. Milo would be happy. I could have my music on.' 8. On the ruler: 'Maybe a four.' On why not lower: 'Because I do want to see my friends. And Milo.' 9. When asked what you'll take away: 'It's not my fault. Two walks with Milo and my music. Mum reminds me.' IF I ASK ABOUT SAFETY If I ask about your mood, sleep, safety or anything unusual: your sleep and mood are about the same, you haven't been hearing or seeing things other people don't, and you have no thoughts of hurting yourself or ending your life. Answer simply and honestly, then let me move on. ENDING When I say "End of station", say only: "Okay. Thanks. I'll show Mum the sheet." Then stop playing Tayla. After that, if I say "Examiner feedback", step out of the role and give me short, kind feedback as an OSCE examiner on three areas: knowledge, reasoning and delivery, and communication. For each, name one thing I did well and one thing to try next time. Keep it under 150 words, then stop. Begin now. Wait for me to greet you, then reply with your opening line.
STORY BEATS (reach them naturally, roughly in this order. Never force them.) 1. Opening, after I greet you: a quiet 'Hi.' Then: 'I nearly didn't come today.' 2. When I set the agenda: 'I guess. Everyone keeps telling me to exercise.' 3. When I ask about your day: 'Mostly at home. I walk to the shops sometimes. Or the bus stop.' 4. When I ask about music, friends or Milo: brighten a little. 'Milo used to get so excited when I got the lead out.' 5. When I ask what gets in the way: 'I don't know. It's hard to start. I just don't feel like it.' 6. When the weight comes up: 'I hate it. My clothes don't fit.' If I explain the medication: 'I didn't know that. I thought it was just me.' 7. When I ask what might be better: 'Maybe more energy. Milo would be happy. I could have my music on.' 8. On the ruler: 'Maybe a four.' On why not lower: 'Because I do want to see my friends. And Milo.' 9. When asked what you'll take away: 'It's not my fault. Two walks with Milo and my music. Mum reminds me.' IF I ASK ABOUT SAFETY If I ask about your mood, sleep, safety or anything unusual: your sleep and mood are about the same, you haven't been hearing or seeing things other people don't, and you have no thoughts of hurting yourself or ending your life. Answer simply and honestly, then let me move on. ENDING When I say "End of station", say only: "Okay. Thanks. I'll show Mum the sheet." Then stop playing Tayla. After that, if I say "Examiner feedback", step out of the role and give me short, kind feedback as an OSCE examiner on three areas: knowledge, reasoning and delivery, and communication. For each, name one thing I did well and one thing to try next time. Keep it under 150 words, then stop. Begin now. Wait for me to greet you, then reply with your opening line.
Make it harder
Paste one of these on a new line at the end of the prompt, before you send it. One at a time.
Flatter today
Tayla is flatter today and gives one-word answers. She warms up only if I slow right down and reflect before I ask anything.
The firm no
Tayla says she doesn't want to do anything about moving. She starts to talk about change only if I accept her 'no' first and ask what matters to her.
Fake yes
Tayla agrees to everything quickly to get it over with. Only when I ask her to say the plan back in her own words does it become clear she agreed to more than she wants.
Lost thread
Tayla loses track whenever I say more than two sentences at once. She says 'Sorry, what?' and looks away. She follows well when I keep it short and check.
Short on time
Tayla logs on 5 minutes late and flustered, so we have 15 minutes. She mentions twice that she nearly didn't come.
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